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02/09/2015 08:00 AM House EDUCATION

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08:02:25 AM Start
08:03:33 AM Presentation: Alaska Navigator: Statewide Workforce & Education-related Statistics (answers) Project, Alaska Postsecondary Education Commission
09:49:16 AM Adjourn
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Postsecondary Education Commission
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        February 9, 2015                                                                                        
                           8:02 a.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wes Keller, Chair                                                                                                
Representative Lora Reinbold, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Jim Colver                                                                                                       
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                                 
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Liz Vazquez                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  ALASKA NAVIGATOR:  STATEWIDE WORKFORCE &                                                                         
EDUCATION-RELATED    STATISTICS    (ANSWERS)   PROJECT~    ALASKA                                                               
POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION COMMISSION                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
STEPHANIE BUTLER, Director                                                                                                      
Operations/Outreach                                                                                                             
Alaska Postsecondary Education Commission (APEC)                                                                                
Department of Education and Early Development (EED)                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided the APEC presentation on the                                                                    
ANSWERS (Alaska Navigator:  Statewide Workforce and Education-                                                                  
Related Statistics) project, and responded to questions.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DIANE BARRANS, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Postsecondary Education Commission (APEC)                                                                                
Department of Education and Early Development (EED)                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated in the APEC presentation on                                                                 
the ANSWERS (Alaska Navigator:  Statewide Workforce and                                                                         
Education-Related   Statistics)   project,   and   responded   to                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:02:25 AM                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR WES  KELLER called the  House Education  Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to order at 8:02 a.m.   Present at the call to order were                                                               
Representative  Seaton, Drummond,  Reinbold,  Colver and  Keller.                                                               
Representative  Kreiss-Tomkins  arrived  as the  meeting  was  in                                                               
order.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:     ALASKA  NAVIGATOR:    STATEWIDE   WORKFORCE  &                                                               
EDUCATION-RELATED    STATISTICS    (ANSWERS)   PROJECT,    ALASKA                                                               
POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION COMMISSION                                                                                              
    PRESENTATION:  ALASKA NAVIGATOR:  STATEWIDE WORKFORCE &                                                                 
     EDUCATION-RELATED STATISTICS (ANSWERS) PROJECT, ALASKA                                                                 
               POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION COMMISSION                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
8:03:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
a   presentation   from   the  Alaska   Postsecondary   Education                                                               
Commission (APEC)  on the Alaska Navigator:   Statewide Workforce                                                               
and Education-Related Statistics (ANSWERS) project.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:06:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEPHANIE    BUTLER,   Director,    Operations/Outreach,   Alaska                                                               
Postsecondary   Education   Commission  (APEC),   Department   of                                                               
Education  and Early  Development (EED),  began with  the mission                                                               
statement  for the  Alaska Navigator:    Statewide Workforce  and                                                               
Education-Related  Statistics  (ANSWERS)  project,  which  reads:                                                               
"Deliver outcomes  information to Alaska stakeholders  to assess,                                                               
evaluate,   and  improve   the  state's   education  and   career                                                               
development  spectrum."   She said  the  outcomes should  reflect                                                               
what is  and what  isn't working in  the state  education system,                                                               
and  to better  inform policy  makers and  stakeholders regarding                                                               
the various  programs.   The discussions  to develop  this system                                                               
began over  a decade ago, and  work began before grant  money was                                                               
made available  to move forward.   Among the  associated acronyms                                                               
applicable  to the  ANSWERS programs  are the  pre-school through                                                               
grade   20  and   the  workforce   (P-20W)   and  the   Statewide                                                               
Longitudinal Data System  (SLDS) components.  A  federal grant of                                                               
$4 million  was received over  a three year period,  beginning in                                                               
July, 2012,  which will  end in  June of this  year, 2015.   Four                                                               
state  organizations  partnered to  apply  for  the grant:    the                                                               
Alaska   Commission  on   Postsecondary  Education   (ACPE),  the                                                               
University of  Alaska (UA), the  Department of Education  & Early                                                               
Development  (EED),  and  the Department  of  Labor  &  Workforce                                                               
Development (DLWD).   The goal  of the collaboration has  been to                                                               
aggregate the  existing data, which  each of  these organizations                                                               
holds  in independent  silos,  de-identify  the information,  and                                                               
link  it  together into  a  secure  environment, for  appropriate                                                               
access for measuring long term program outcomes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:10:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  said ACPE has taken  the lead in the  project, acting                                                               
as  manager and  the fiscal  agent.   The commission  has a  long                                                               
standing  interest  in  being  able   to  assess  the  impact  of                                                               
educational   programs,  and   a  statutory   responsibility  and                                                               
authority to coordinate these duties,  but, until now, has lacked                                                               
the  data  to  do  so   effectively;  ANSWERS  will  remedy  this                                                               
situation upon completion  of the project.  Relative  to the ACPE                                                               
mission the  project will  provide answers to  some of  the basic                                                               
questions that  are routinely received,  such as what  is working                                                               
and how  to best deploy limited  state resources.  There  is need                                                               
for this  data, as it is  easy to measure effort/funding  that is                                                               
put into  a given program.   The SLDS program will  transform the                                                               
input   into  measurable   outcomes   and   provide  details   on                                                               
participation levels,  long term impacts, and  investment return.                                                               
She said a  cross sector P-20W longitudinal data  base will allow                                                               
the   data,  currently   held  in   the  participating   agencies                                                               
independent silos, to  be linked and accessed.   She said caveats                                                               
to  consider are:   it  will take  time to  build the  system and                                                               
acquire data  for meaningful analysis;  and Alaska's  approach to                                                               
de-identifying  the data,  which does  not allow  tracking of  an                                                               
individual student.  However, analysis  based on averages will be                                                               
available  and  provide  information  regarding  the  success  of                                                               
students who have attended a given program.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:13:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  continued to explain  the emphasis that is  placed on                                                               
the privacy  and security of  the data.   She reported  that some                                                               
states are allowing student identification  numbers to be used by                                                               
teachers  for tracking  purposes; an  approach that  will not  be                                                               
available in  Alaska where analysis  of average outcomes  are the                                                               
focus.   The  project  has six  phases, she  said,  and only  the                                                               
planning/preparation   stage    has   been   completed.       The                                                               
infrastructure phase  is on  track, the  development phase  is in                                                               
full swing,  and recent activities  have centered on  phase four,                                                               
the  data reporting  aspect.    She noted  that  this relates  to                                                               
constructing the system,  not actual data reporting;  no data has                                                               
been  reported to  date.   The final  phase, sustainability,  has                                                               
been  a key  piece throughout  the project,  and will  be further                                                               
discussed in wrap-up.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:15:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER described the objective  for linking cross-sector data                                                               
in a transparent and secure  manner, via means that will identify                                                               
the system costs, tracks information  requests and responses, and                                                               
provide  other   user  based   details.     Additional  operating                                                               
principles are that  data contributors own the  input data, which                                                               
cannot  be accessed  without the  source  agencies knowledge  and                                                               
guidance,  and  that the  value  of  the  data is  increased  via                                                               
transforming  it into  useful information  versus data  elements.                                                               
Finally, the ongoing  system design is to be  agile, flexible and                                                               
scalable to allow for increasingly  useful information and report                                                               
effectively  on  return  of  investment  analysis.    Ms.  Butler                                                               
explained the  system parameters, beginning with  the requirement                                                               
that  input  data  be stripped  of  any  personal  identification                                                               
information  (PII), including  student identification  or account                                                               
numbers,  names, birth  dates  save month  and  year, and  street                                                               
addresses.   Current systems rely  on this type of  personal data                                                               
for transactional  reporting of an individual  student's credits,                                                               
loans and  eligibility for programs.   It would not  be possible,                                                               
she  pointed  out, to  use  the  existing  data systems  for  the                                                               
purposes associated with  ANSWERS.  A new system  is necessary to                                                               
handle data  in PII  format and  to accommodate  the multi-agency                                                               
structure.   Another parameter is  that the system will  use sub-                                                               
sets  of  data from  the  cooperating  agencies, not  full  sets;                                                               
ANSWERS  is  not a  data  dump  and  only  data relevant  to  the                                                               
evaluation of educational program outcomes  will be input.  Also,                                                               
only cross-sector queries  will be allowed, not  those that could                                                               
be  responded to  by  one of  the partner  agencies.   The  final                                                               
parameter  ensures best  practices for  data handling  throughout                                                               
the process of input, storage, and output.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:19:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  turned to the governance  of the program and  said it                                                               
is a three tiered structure  supported by an executive board that                                                               
is  responsible for  all system  authority and  activities.   The                                                               
executive board  seats the ACPE  Executive Director, the  EED and                                                               
DOLWD commissioners,  and the UA  president.  Each of  these four                                                               
entities  will  appoint  a project/data  manager  as  information                                                               
stewards  to guide  the day  to day  activities and  development.                                                               
These  managers will  access/establish  implementation teams  and                                                               
committees  for  purposes  of  research,  technical,  legal,  and                                                               
program support.  The final  governance piece are the stakeholder                                                               
committees and advisors whose interests  are key.  She said there                                                               
is  excitement in  this group  for  the possibility  of not  only                                                               
knowing what goes into a  program, but the measurable outcomes on                                                               
the  investment.    She  referred to  the  10  policy  questions,                                                               
contained  in   the  committee  packet,   and  said   that  these                                                               
questions,  approved  by  the  policy  board,  were  designed  to                                                               
identify high-level informational  needs, not currently available                                                               
without linking the  data.  The policy questions are  also key to                                                               
filtering  information  input.    If data  is  not  relevant  for                                                               
generating  an  answer to  a  policy  question,  it will  not  be                                                               
entered into  the system.   The policy questions can  be amended,                                                               
however, the executive governance board must approve any change.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:22:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  detailed the privacy  and security protocols  and how                                                               
the system  is designed to separate  identifying information from                                                               
the incoming  data.  Security  considerations include:   data de-                                                               
identification,  encryption, compartmentalization,  system access                                                               
logging and  auditing, and  human resource  restricted role-based                                                               
access.   She reviewed a  security diagram flow chart  to explain                                                               
how data  is received  and moved  through the  system emphasizing                                                               
that  controls exist  on both  the input  and output  levels. Ms.                                                               
Butler  said questions  have arisen  regarding  how other  states                                                               
approach  similar programs,  and indicated  that there  are three                                                               
primary  models  being  employed  by   the  47  states  that  are                                                               
implementing  longitudinal data  systems.   One approach  retains                                                               
identifiable information,  allowing access to  individual student                                                               
progress data.  Another is  the de-identified approach, which the                                                               
ANSWERS model  is implementing.   The third  is a  federated data                                                               
system in which data queries  are able to access various agencies                                                               
source  system  records in  order  to  respond to  specific  data                                                               
requests.   She  reported that  a  grant provided  funding for  a                                                               
project  team to  visit state's  using a  similar system  and the                                                               
ANSWERS contingency  traveled to  Mississippi and Arkansas.   She                                                               
provided  internet   links  to   the  Mississippi   and  Arkansas                                                               
websites.   The Mississippi website  allows access  to historical                                                               
trends,   demographic   reports,   and   averages   for   student                                                               
participation,   progress  and   success  K-20W,   thus  allowing                                                               
comparisons  to other  populations.   Arkansas's  SLDS model  was                                                               
chosen as an  example by the Alaskan team, for  its leadership in                                                               
data de-identification and privacy protocols and standards.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:28:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER reviewed the costs  and sustainability of the program,                                                               
stating  that the  goal  is for  the  ANSWERS project  management                                                               
office, currently  administering the grant, to  make a transition                                                               
into the  program management office  (PMO), for long  term system                                                               
administration  and  maintenance.    The  three  year  incubation                                                               
period  will be  funded by  the Alaska  Student Loan  Corporation                                                               
(ASLC), as  part of  the ACPE operating  budget.   The previously                                                               
reviewed  privacy   and  security  practices,  as   well  as  the                                                               
governance protocols will be retained  under the PMO.  The annual                                                               
program costs  are projected to  be $1.2 million, which  has been                                                               
estimated without  the knowledge of what  the information demands                                                               
will  actually be.   Finally,  she pointed  out that  the funding                                                               
model will  require revisiting, following the  initial three-year                                                               
start-up period.   The  goal of  the incubation  period is  to be                                                               
able to demonstrate sufficient value  of the ANSWERS products and                                                               
attract  grants and  additional  long-term funding.   Should  the                                                               
program lack  the ability  to demonstrate  usefulness, especially                                                               
to program directors  and legislative policy makers,  she said it                                                               
would not make sense to continue funding the program.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:30:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD referred to the  overview, page 9, to ask                                                               
about the  PII process and  if it was agreed  to in the  grant to                                                               
retain birth dates and zip codes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER  said the  grant  application  indicated that  Alaska                                                               
would follow  a de-identified model, without  knowing exactly how                                                               
that  would  be  accomplished.     Relative  to  zip  codes,  the                                                               
addresses will  not be stored.   However, geocoding will  be used                                                               
to  identify various  areas that  the student  may be  associated                                                               
with for  reporting purposes, such  as school and  legislative or                                                               
economic districts.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  referred to  a document  titled, "GRANTS                                                               
FOR STATEWIDE,  LONGITUDINAL DATA SYSTEMS, CFDA  NUMBER:  84.372,                                                               
RELEASE  DATE:   September  15, 2011,  REQUEST FOR  APPLICATIONS:                                                               
NCES 12-01,  INSTITUTE OF  EDUCATION SCIENCES,"  Page 3,  and the                                                               
paragraph  with  the  heading,  "III.     PURPOSE  OF  THE  GRANT                                                               
PROGRAM,"  to  paraphrase  the  language,  which  read  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The purpose of  grants under this program  is to enable                                                                    
     State  educational  agencies  to design,  develop,  and                                                                    
     implement  statewide,  longitudinal   data  systems  to                                                                    
    efficiently    and    accurately    manage,    analyze,                                                                     
     disaggregate, and use individual student data.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  pointed out the stipulation  for the use                                                               
of individual data and asked for a response.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  explained that  individual data is  in the  data base                                                               
and aggregated when it is reported.  She said:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     To be very clear, individual student data is stored in                                                                     
     the data base.  It is de-identified, but it is at the                                                                      
     unit level.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD inquired  whether zip  codes, plus  four                                                               
digits, will be used.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER replied, "No."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:34:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  directed   attention  to  the  overview                                                               
handout,  page 15,  titled "Different  State Approaches,"  to ask                                                               
about the reasoning  behind the choice of a  central database for                                                               
ANSWERS.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER responded  that it  proved to  be the  most efficient                                                               
system,  as  opposed  to  a federated  structure.    A  federated                                                               
structure requires  accessing other state databases,  which would                                                               
require  making compatible  changes each  time an  agency altered                                                               
their system, thus adding to the cost for system maintenance.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  questioned  the acronym  names  of  the                                                               
individual  programs,   and  established  that  the   P-20W  SLDS                                                               
originated at the  federal level to describe all  of the projects                                                               
being taken up by the various  states, and ANSWERS is the Alaskan                                                               
model being developed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:37:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KELLER   referred  to  the   overview,  page   10,  titled                                                               
"Governance,"  and asked  about  public access  to the  Executive                                                               
Governance Board.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DIANE   BARRANS,   Executive   Director,   Alaska   Postsecondary                                                               
Education Commission  (APEC), Department  of Education  and Early                                                               
Development (EED),  responded, stating  that the  ANSWERS program                                                               
is  a bit  of  "an odd  duck."    She said  it  is a  facilitated                                                               
program,  which  originated  with an  Administrative  Order  (AO)                                                               
[261], issued  in 2011, by  Governor Sean Parnell,  directing the                                                               
named state agencies  to work together and  share information, to                                                               
the  extent   permitted  by  law,   in  order  to   evaluate  the                                                               
effectiveness of  state investment  in programs.   The governance                                                               
structure  was  developed  pursuant  to  that  order,  which,  in                                                               
accordance with  the grant, would  be under the direction  of the                                                               
executives  from the  four agencies.   The  executives agreed  to                                                               
operate on  a consensus  model.  The  development of  the ANSWERS                                                               
system,   and  associated   protocols,   have   been  built   via                                                               
interagency  consensus.    Regarding   public  input,  she  said,                                                               
recruitment is currently  underway to hire a  director, and whose                                                               
job   description  includes   the   solicitation,  receipt,   and                                                               
consideration of public comment.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER pointed  out that Alaska's constitution  has a right                                                               
to privacy  clause and asked how  concerns by the public  will be                                                               
handled.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  answered that a  plain language description  will be                                                               
made available to assist anyone  who wants to understand what the                                                               
data is and what  it means.  The public will  also have access to                                                               
what data requests that have  been received, approved, researched                                                               
and reported on, as well as  the resulting product.  Further, she                                                               
confirmed that parents are considered stakeholders.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:45:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON suggested having  the separate agencies de-                                                               
identify  the  data prior  to  submitting  it to  ANSWERS,  thus,                                                               
relieving the commission of data  security concerns.  Further, he                                                               
asked  why  individual  identifiers  would  be  retained  in  the                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER  responded that  once  information  is aggregated  it                                                               
can't be re-sorted.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON opined  that  if only  anonymized data  is                                                               
used  to   generate  aggregated  averages,  what   questions  are                                                               
anticipated that  would require  individual data be  retained and                                                               
cause the expressed security concerns.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.   BARRANS  explained   that  questions,   such  as   what  an                                                               
individuals'  attachment is  to the  workforce one  year or  five                                                               
years  after  completing  K-20,  requires  an  identifiable  unit                                                               
record.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:50:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD stated  a fundamental  disagreement with                                                               
the ANSWERS program,  as well as disappointment  for the issuance                                                               
of AO 261  that Governor Parnell issued to collect  the data, and                                                               
cited  the  Alaska State  Constitution,  Article  1, Section  22,                                                               
which reads:   "The right of the people to  privacy is recognized                                                               
and  shall not  be infringed.   The  legislature shall  implement                                                               
this section."   She said  it is  important for everyone  to know                                                               
that the Online  Alaska School Information System  (OASIS) can be                                                               
used to identify  individual house numbers by using  the zip plus                                                               
four digit code.   She asked whether there is  a means for anyone                                                               
to  opt-out  of  participation,  and  further,  how  the  various                                                               
agencies are using the current data held in OASIS.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  addressed the interoperability  of the  current data,                                                               
and said  it is sourced  via the OASIS,  as a subset.   Regarding                                                               
the question  for opting out, she  said there is not  a provision                                                               
and the information  is required.  The structure  of ANSWERS does                                                               
not provide an opt-out, due to the de-identification process.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:53:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER questioned  whether the requirement is  based on the                                                               
state  law that  a  district may  not issue  a  diploma unless  a                                                               
student has  completed testing  requirements.   He asked  by what                                                               
authority, in state and federal law,  it is shown that opting out                                                               
is not an option.  He  opined that federal money, extended by way                                                               
of a grant, is done so for a specific purpose.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER agreed to provide further information.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:54:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked for clarity  regarding the lack of an                                                               
opt-out  proviso  to  ask  whether   two  data  bases  are  being                                                               
established,  one   with  identifiers,   and  one  that   is  de-                                                               
identified.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER explained  that when the information  is received, the                                                               
identifying aspects  are removed  in the system  and held  in one                                                               
location,  while the  informative  data are  directed to  another                                                               
segment of the program.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  added that there is  a matching system in  which the                                                               
student  could  be identified  for  future  use,  but it  is  not                                                               
accessible  by staff.    Further, this  system  does not  contain                                                               
complete data.   A  random identifier, which  does not  reflect a                                                               
social security  number, student  identification, or  birth date,                                                               
is  assigned to  the unit  record  and is  what will  be used  to                                                               
produce  program   level  reports.     Thus,   there  is   not  a                                                               
comprehensive data base and a de-identified data base.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  continued to  question how  the identifier                                                               
number might be used.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER  described how  random  identifiers  are assigned  to                                                               
originating data  upon arrival, and then  personal identification                                                               
is stripped away.  As  additional information arrives on the same                                                               
individual,  it  is  appended to  the  original  information  and                                                               
linked to the random identifier.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:00:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD asked  whether the school superintendents                                                               
understand  this  process, and  have  parents  agreed to  provide                                                               
student data for storage in this massive data base.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER replied  that informational  meetings have  been held                                                               
with the  superintendents to explain  how the data will  be used,                                                               
and there  is no mechanism  for parents  to opt-in or  opt-out of                                                               
the system.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS added  that the APEC is not a  data gathering agency,                                                               
but is acting as the managers for linking the data.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:01:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KELLER   recalled  supporting  the  initial   concept  for                                                               
gathering  student  information  and   making  it  accessible  to                                                               
educators and legislators.  The  context of the original concept,                                                               
appears  to have  changed over  time, however,  and he  expressed                                                               
concern for the  direction that the program has  taken in linking                                                               
the departments.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS offered  that  a  proof of  concept  order has  been                                                               
completed,  which has  provided  districts  with a  cross-sector,                                                               
postsecondary, outcome  report in order to  receive feedback from                                                               
the superintendents, thus testing  the effectiveness and security                                                               
of the program and determining what data is most helpful.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:04:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  inquired   where  the  social  security                                                               
numbers  (SSNs)  originate,  if  the  source  is  linked  to  the                                                               
Permanent Fund Dividend, and whether  there is a student clearing                                                               
house  that allows  the  information to  be  shared across  state                                                               
lines.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS  offered   that  the  SSNs  are   sourced  from  two                                                               
locations:   the work  force, and the  Permanent Fund  data base.                                                               
Further, there is no state to  state sharing of Alaskan data, but                                                               
some states do participate in that practice.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:05:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON noted  that  the goal  of  the program  is                                                               
clear and  easy to support, and  should prove to be  an asset for                                                               
making decisions.   However, the pre-kindergarten  component will                                                               
be limited  considering that private facilities  outnumber public                                                               
pre-kindergarten  programs and  asked how  this will  be handled.                                                               
Additionally, he  questioned how  variances will be  applied when                                                               
tracking  grade  students  through  college/workforce  years  and                                                               
reporting on averages.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER  agreed  that  the   pre-kindergarten  data  will  be                                                               
relatively  small   and  primarily  available  from   Head  Start                                                               
programs.    Regarding  the average  population  reports,  it  is                                                               
anticipated that,  over time, useful  answers will  be available,                                                               
such as regression analysis.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:09:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND  opined   that  for  students  attending                                                               
private  or home  school,  the corresponding  data  would not  be                                                               
included.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  pointed out that  if a home school  or correspondence                                                               
report is made  to EED the information will be  included, such as                                                               
students being  reported for  APS eligibility.   She  agreed that                                                               
data on  a sector of home  and private school students  would not                                                               
be captured.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND  noted the limited  information available                                                               
on pre-kindergarten programs,  due to the lack  of state operated                                                               
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:12:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KELLER  opined  that  parents  who  home  school,  without                                                               
receiving  state  support,  are  effectively opting  out  of  the                                                               
system.     On   inquiry,  he   received  confirmation   of  this                                                               
assumption.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:13:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COLVER returned to the  question of using SSNs and                                                               
asked if that is how the data is primarily tracked.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER explained  that a number of  different identifiers are                                                               
used for  linking purposes,  one of  which is  the SSN;  the only                                                               
identifier on a DOLWD data set is the SSN.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COLVER asked  what process could be  used to allow                                                               
students  to opt-out  and if  a  statute or  regulation would  be                                                               
needed  to allow  for that  action.   Additionally, he  cautioned                                                               
that data breeches  occur and the opportunity  exists for putting                                                               
private  information at  risk.   If  the state  can analyze  data                                                               
without using  the SSN, it would  be a great privacy  practice on                                                               
behalf of EED, he opined.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER offered  to provide  further information  regarding a                                                               
means to opt-out of using the SSN as an identifier.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:16:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  expressed  interest in  instituting  an                                                               
opt-in, versus opt-out  approach.  Also, use of  the SSN presents                                                               
a concern,  and she asked  for further information  regarding its                                                               
use as  an identifier, as  well as information regarding  the use                                                               
of  the Free  Application  for Federal  Student  Aid (FAFSA),  or                                                               
other systems, which may require data to cross state lines.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS responded  that ANSWERS  will  not be  interoperable                                                               
with  the  national  student  clearing house  system.    Data  is                                                               
downloaded  from  the  clearing  house  regarding  where  Alaskan                                                               
students attend  postsecondary programs outside of  the state, in                                                               
order to follow APS recipients and track out migration.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  maintained concern  for the  transfer of                                                               
data  across state  lines,  and  the assurance  that  it will  be                                                               
protected.   She referred  to a  committee handout,  titled "FACT                                                               
SHEET:  UNLOCKING THE POWER  OF EDUCATION DATA FOR ALL AMERICANS,                                                               
Office of Science  and Technology Policy Executive  Office of the                                                               
President, January  19, 2012," and  urged members to  explore the                                                               
searchable  link labeled  "education.data.gov,"  and the  "MyData                                                               
Button."  She explained that  a "PowerSchool" student information                                                               
system  is a  portal to  student  information and  ties into  the                                                               
application  programming  interface  (API),  then  asked  if  the                                                               
commission is aware of these programs.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS said  the PowerSchool program is not  relevant to the                                                               
discussion, nor does the commission  hold any expertise regarding                                                               
that program, only a passing knowledge  that it is a school level                                                               
or district based data management system.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD asked what  interaction ANSWERS will have                                                               
with the  federal government, particularly any  requirements tied                                                               
to the grant.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS said  the data base is not designed  to interact with                                                               
the federal government  at all.  Rather it  is designed expressly                                                               
to  provide  Alaska  a  means to  analyze  outcomes  of  in-state                                                               
educational/training programs.    Additionally, she categorically                                                               
stated that there is no intent,  nor design, to share data across                                                               
state lines.  It is designed by,  and for the use of, Alaskans to                                                               
understand how effective and efficient  the programs are that are                                                               
offered to train workers for communities around the state.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:22:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER  queried whether a  statement of intent would  be in                                                               
order.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  agreed that a statutory  prohibition against sharing                                                               
the ANSWERS data to the federal government would be reasonable.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:22:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD stated that  ANSWERS is federally funded,                                                               
and returned to the cited  grant, directing attention to page 12,                                                               
Roman numeral  IX, titled  "SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS,"  to paraphrase                                                               
from the language, which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Applicants should budget  for travel and accommodations                                                                    
     for  two  senior  project staff  to  attend  a  two-day                                                                    
     meeting  each   year  in  Washington,  DC   with  other                                                                    
     grantees    and    Institute     staff    to    discuss                                                                    
     accomplishments,  problems  encountered,  and  possible                                                                    
     solutions/improvements.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS concurred  that it is a federally  funded project and                                                               
there is  a goal for  having data that  can be compared  state to                                                               
state  to  arrive  at  national   averages.    Different  designs                                                               
comprise  the individual  state longitudinal  data systems,  with                                                               
the goal of analyzing comparable  information, but not sharing of                                                               
data across  state lines.  States  are able to measure  their own                                                               
performance and determine how that compares with another state.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  recalled the APS being  established with                                                               
the passage of  SB 221, and asked if data  base requirements were                                                               
part of that legislation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS said the only  relevance is the statutory requirement                                                               
for  the commission  to  report  the APS  outcomes  on an  annual                                                               
basis.  The agencies required to  comply in that analysis are the                                                               
UA, DLWD, EED, and ACPE.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD referred to the  NCLB waiver and asked if                                                               
the P-20W was required as part of that application.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS deferred.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD established that ACPE  is not aware of an                                                               
organization named McKinsey & Company.   Through further inquiry,                                                               
the cost  for operating ANSWERS was  stated by Ms. Barrans  to be                                                               
estimated at $1 million per year.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:27:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON noted  that eventually, regression analysis                                                               
could  prove   helpful  to  the  committee   for  setting  stated                                                               
education policy.  The ASNWERS  policy questions, included in the                                                               
overview, do not appear to  include information that will provide                                                               
the legislature with  relevant answers for statutory  action.  He                                                               
said it would  be helpful to have questions that  are relevant to                                                               
the  legislature  and  to  know  the  time  frame  that  will  be                                                               
required,  to  obtain  meaningful   results  for  the  committees                                                               
review.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BUTLER  explained the  policy  questions  are a  high  level                                                               
framework, under which research questions  of the type the member                                                               
has  described  could also  be  entertained,  and she  agreed  to                                                               
provide further information.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:30:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD indicated  interest  in gaining  further                                                               
information regarding  the governance team, and  any interactions                                                               
that  the  commission has  with  the  [Institute for  Educational                                                               
Statistics] (IES), at USDOE.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER said that IES is  charged with management of the grant                                                               
program for  the USDOE.  A  monthly meeting is held  with the IES                                                               
and  the governance  team to  report on  grant progress,  and, as                                                               
noted by the  member, attendance is required for  the annual best                                                               
practices conference in Washington, D.C.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS reiterated  the seats held on the  governance team by                                                               
the  participating agencies.    Additionally,  these members  are                                                               
supported by  stewards who are  experts in their fields  for data                                                               
submission  and  technical  knowledge.     The  stewards  act  as                                                               
advisors and review all actions  for administrative benefit.  She                                                               
said  that   these  are  the   individuals  who   are  ultimately                                                               
responsible  for  the  data  being  input  and  analysis  reports                                                               
generated.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  noted   that  the  governance  document                                                               
indicates that metadata, from external  sources, will be added by                                                               
private vendors.   What will  be added to  the data base  and how                                                               
will it be monitored, she asked.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER  responded that the  external information would  be an                                                               
appending of  descriptive data  to the  actual data  elements and                                                               
the contractor  is creating place  holders in  the infrastructure                                                               
to flag the  metadata input.  To a follow-up  questions, she said                                                               
GeoNorth is  the contractor building  the system and that  she is                                                               
not familiar with the Master Pearson Index.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:35:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER asked whether GeoNorth is an Alaska based company.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BUTLER answered, "Yes."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:36:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD questioned  the commission's authority to                                                               
track the educational information on Alaska's children.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  responded that of  particular interest, on  the part                                                               
of  the  commission,  is  to  assess  the  effectiveness  of  the                                                               
education being offered  in the state, to the  extent that school                                                               
districts are  informed of how  well students are  being prepared                                                               
for the work force and continued  learning.  The leadership at UA                                                               
is concerned  about what  the return on  investment the  state is                                                               
getting as well  as individual students.   Analyzing the outcomes                                                               
can inform improvements to educational  programs, which should be                                                               
of interest to society as a whole.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:37:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KELLER  commented  that   the  legislature  has  a  vested                                                               
interest in ensuring a return  on investment in education and the                                                               
evolution of this process will have stemmed from that need.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS added  that concerning the return  on investment, the                                                               
most important  recipient of an  improved educational  system are                                                               
the children that come next.  She  said it is part of the state's                                                               
responsibility to identify system  deficiencies to the benefit of                                                               
individual Alaskans.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER directed  attention to the overview,  page 3, titled                                                               
"Why ACPE," to  note that ANSWERS is being  developed pursuant to                                                               
AS 14.42.030, which is a broad authority.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS agreed,  and added that for over  20 years, questions                                                               
have  been  asked   by  the  legislature  which   have  not  been                                                               
answerable, resulting in frustration, which  has been part of the                                                               
impetus for the partnering of the agencies around this project.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:39:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  expressed that it is  the responsibility                                                               
of  the  parents  and  students   to  track  and  evaluate  their                                                               
information.  She opined that  establishing and funding this type                                                               
of data base  is not a good  use of state money,  which should be                                                               
directed to  the classroom.   The focus  should be  excellence in                                                               
education by providing resources  in the classroom and empowering                                                               
the  parents,  rather  than tracking,  data  mining,  and  social                                                               
engineering, she stressed.   The legislature is  taking the wrong                                                               
direction in  this case, and  she maintained her concern  for the                                                               
costs, the  data usage,  and the  constitutional responsibilities                                                               
held by members.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER  responded to Representative Reinbold,  stating that                                                               
what  is  before the  committee  is  not  based on  a  conspiracy                                                               
theory.    Collection  of information  is  currently  rampant  in                                                               
today's  society and  often provides  benefit,  such as  frequent                                                               
shopper  discount cards.    To stop  the  entire ANSWERS  project                                                               
would not  be in  keeping with the  current flow  of information,                                                               
and  to  cease and  desist  would  not be  productive;  providing                                                               
sideboards could  be in order.   It is appropriate  to understand                                                               
why an  opt-out measure  has not been  included, and  perhaps DOL                                                               
will provide that answer, he said.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:42:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND  opined   that  accountability  is  what                                                               
continues to  arise, and the  ANSWERS database will  provide that                                                               
needed  oversight.    Additionally,  having  the  ability  to  do                                                               
regression  studies may  be helpful  in alleviating  the cost  of                                                               
corrections in the state.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:43:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER qualified a previous  statement, clarifying that the                                                               
process  of  collecting  data  is  not  endorsed  by  the  chair;                                                               
however, it  may not  be an  option to  change direction  at this                                                               
time, and creating  sideboards may be the best  direction for the                                                               
committee to choose.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:45:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   reminded  committee  members   that  the                                                               
collection of data is not  occurring, the databases already exist                                                               
in various agencies, schools, and  districts.  The ANSWERS system                                                               
creates  an amalgamation  of previously  collected  data into  an                                                               
accessible,   reportable  format.      He   predicted  that   the                                                               
amalgamated  data will  benefit  the legislators  by providing  a                                                               
means to  identify and act  on the most cost  effective programs.                                                               
He reminded  the committee of  the repercussions for  not meeting                                                               
NCLB  or waiver  requirements  and the  inherent federal  funding                                                               
that would be redirected by failing  to act in a timely manner to                                                               
ensure  compliance.   Additionally, the  requirement for  teacher                                                               
evaluations to be based on student performance is of concern.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KELLER  agreed  with  the member  and  thanked  the  day's                                                               
participants, then announced the upcoming meeting.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:49:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 9:50 a.m.                                                                 

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